Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#581  Postby kennyc » Nov 21, 2014 10:16 pm

Doubtdispelled wrote:
kennyc wrote:
Boyle wrote:Patriarchy - 1
Feminazi's - 0

Checkmate.


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I can quite categorically state, right here and now, Kenny, without a shadow of a doubt, that I don't believe you actually understand the true meaning and sentiment behind this comment.

And this is without communicating with Boyle about it in any way whatsoever. He can verify this.

If I am wrong about it, then I will eat my dog. She's very, very large, so that may be quite a challenge.

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That fits quite well with your understanding of the the entire issue then.

Eat up.

It's a wrap people.

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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#582  Postby Fallible » Nov 21, 2014 10:17 pm

So...which time of the moth were you referring to?
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#583  Postby Doubtdispelled » Nov 21, 2014 10:18 pm

kennyc wrote:
Doubtdispelled wrote:
kennyc wrote:
Boyle wrote:Patriarchy - 1
Feminazi's - 0

Checkmate.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :drunk:

I can quite categorically state, right here and now, Kenny, without a shadow of a doubt, that I don't believe you actually understand the true meaning and sentiment behind this comment.

And this is without communicating with Boyle about it in any way whatsoever. He can verify this.

If I am wrong about it, then I will eat my dog. She's very, very large, so that may be quite a challenge.

:cheers:


That fits quite well with your understanding of the the entire issue then.

Eat up.

It's a wrap people.

/thread
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OMFG.......

You go in the same box as Ed205, or whatever the hell he's called.

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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#584  Postby kennyc » Nov 21, 2014 10:19 pm

Fallible wrote:So...which time of the moth were you referring to?


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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#585  Postby Doubtdispelled » Nov 21, 2014 10:21 pm

Fallible wrote:So...which time of the moth were you referring to?

He doesn't know, Fall, he doesn't know. Month or moth, it's all the same to his sexist, ignorant, bigoted mind.
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#586  Postby Pulsar » Nov 21, 2014 10:25 pm

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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#587  Postby Doubtdispelled » Nov 21, 2014 10:29 pm

Pulsar wrote: :box:

Do you understand Boyle's comment, Pulsar?

This post of yours seems to indicate that you might actually have a clue.
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#588  Postby Doubtdispelled » Nov 21, 2014 10:40 pm

kennyc wrote:
Doubtdispelled wrote:
kennyc wrote:
Boyle wrote:Patriarchy - 1
Feminazi's - 0

Checkmate.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :drunk:

I can quite categorically state, right here and now, Kenny, without a shadow of a doubt, that I don't believe you actually understand the true meaning and sentiment behind this comment.

And this is without communicating with Boyle about it in any way whatsoever. He can verify this.

If I am wrong about it, then I will eat my dog. She's very, very large, so that may be quite a challenge.

:cheers:


That fits quite well with your understanding of the the entire issue then.

Eat up.

It's a wrap people.

/thread
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Go on then, Kenny.

Tell us all what Boyle meant.

I can't wait to see your philosophical explanation of it.

I'm sure there are others waiting with bated breath too.

After all, you are such a.....

I'm sorry, but words fail me.....
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#589  Postby kennyc » Nov 21, 2014 10:57 pm

As I said. :D
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#590  Postby Doubtdispelled » Nov 21, 2014 11:03 pm

kennyc wrote:As I said. :D

You said fuck all, Kenny.
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#591  Postby Doubtdispelled » Nov 21, 2014 11:18 pm

A short musical interlude might be in order at this point. Just while we wait for Kenny to formulate a proper response, you understand.

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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#592  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Nov 21, 2014 11:59 pm

That's the most intelligent thing that's been posted in this thread. Thank you, DD.
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#593  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Nov 22, 2014 12:10 am

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It wasn't. I used it to say that people here aren't doing it (post #435). That's it. That's the sum total of its use (and I'm not even on the other side), prior to Rachel deliberately "quoting" it (post #440) out of context to escalate the confrontation.

Not quite, Thommo, not quite. And I'm sorry, but if we're going to be picking nits, then what you've said here isn't quite correct, and is an unfair representation of Rachel's post.

I've looked back, so help me, and you said, in the midst of your otherwise excellent post
Thommo wrote:I'm sure nobody here will be hounding him further

which could be read as meaning that you think people here have been hounding him. The addition of the word 'further' is what gives weight to that reading. Which is unfortunate. You may have meant that people here weren't doing it, and that the 'further' referred to elsewhere, but that isn't how it reads.

Rachel's response is perfectly understandable when seen in this light, and as far as I can see is perfectly acceptable and is in no way designed to 'escalate the confrontation'.

So there. Daffodils rule!


That's the most likely explanation given the least number of assumptions are involved in it. Obviously though presuming malice is more reasonable.

And I'm the one escalating confrontation? Give me strength. This is just nitpicking. I have no qualms with the given explanation but, if the intention wasn't to present those criticising Matt Taylor's choice as "hounding", which I accept, referring to further hounding, which implies past hounding, was a pretty sloppy way to present matters.

You can throw your hands up and say you're being unfairly picked on and someone is "deliberately" (give me a break - you'll have to do better than mere accusation in order to determine deliberateness) being confrontational OR you can take it as an opportunity to hear insight on how what you see reads to other people and reflect on how you express yourself.
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#594  Postby laklak » Nov 22, 2014 12:11 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:That's the most intelligent thing that's been posted in this thread. Thank you, DD.


Well, up till now.

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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#595  Postby ED209 » Nov 22, 2014 12:13 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:That's the most intelligent thing that's been posted in this thread. Thank you, DD.


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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#596  Postby NuclMan » Nov 22, 2014 12:15 am

Wow, I can't believe I only just started reading this thread today. I read more of the other thread, avoiding this one thinking it was referring to shadowy figures on the comet itself :lol:
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#597  Postby Doubtdispelled » Nov 22, 2014 12:16 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:
Doubtdispelled wrote:
Thommo wrote:
It wasn't. I used it to say that people here aren't doing it (post #435). That's it. That's the sum total of its use (and I'm not even on the other side), prior to Rachel deliberately "quoting" it (post #440) out of context to escalate the confrontation.

Not quite, Thommo, not quite. And I'm sorry, but if we're going to be picking nits, then what you've said here isn't quite correct, and is an unfair representation of Rachel's post.

I've looked back, so help me, and you said, in the midst of your otherwise excellent post
Thommo wrote:I'm sure nobody here will be hounding him further

which could be read as meaning that you think people here have been hounding him. The addition of the word 'further' is what gives weight to that reading. Which is unfortunate. You may have meant that people here weren't doing it, and that the 'further' referred to elsewhere, but that isn't how it reads.

Rachel's response is perfectly understandable when seen in this light, and as far as I can see is perfectly acceptable and is in no way designed to 'escalate the confrontation'.

So there. Daffodils rule!


That's the most likely explanation given the least number of assumptions are involved in it. Obviously though presuming malice is more reasonable.

And I'm the one escalating confrontation? Give me strength. This is just nitpicking. I have no qualms with the given explanation but, if the intention wasn't to present those criticising Matt Taylor's choice as "hounding", which I accept, referring to further hounding, which implies past hounding, was a pretty sloppy way to present matters.

You can throw your hands up and say you're being unfairly picked on and someone is "deliberately" (give me a break - you'll have to do better than mere accusation in order to determine deliberateness) being confrontational OR you can take it as an opportunity to hear insight on how what you see reads to other people and reflect on how you express yourself.

Thommo has asked me to look at this matter again, Rachel, which I will do. Until then I think we should hang fire.

FWIW, we are not in total disagreement about it.
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#598  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Nov 22, 2014 12:16 am

BTDubz, I'm fucking terrified of moths so I'm GTFOing.

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Rachel Bronwyn wrote:That's the most intelligent thing that's been posted in this thread. Thank you, DD.


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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#599  Postby Rumraket » Nov 22, 2014 12:17 am

Evolving wrote:And all of us on this side of the argument (in this thread) have been at pains to stress that.

I for one never got the impression that any of the people I have been arguing with, had any issue about what Matt Taylor personally thinks of women.

My gripe has been with the people who maintain that the shirt symbolizes a systemic view on women as nothing but sex objects (or that such views are particularly over represented in STEM fields), or that wearing the shirt reinforces this misconception. I think the only point that has some merit is the last one, that the shirt might reinforce this view. But then instead of complaining about the shirt, I think it should be explained that it is in point of fact not what these people take it to be.

It seems to me this perceived symbolism is forcefully extracted through some highly unwarranted extrapolations. I get the impression that things are being assumed about what naked or scantily clad women symbolise in general, combined with the well-known fact that there is male-favoring inequalities in things like leadership positions and financial rewards/salary(and more). But this is where I think the complaint about the shirt disconnects from reality, because it is taken as some sort of symptom of this latter problem.

As I wrote earlier in the thread, in hindsight it is rationally undeniable that wearing the shirt was a bad PR decision given the response it has produced, but ultimately I think the fault lies with the people who became outraged or turned off by it, because in my view they have a skewed picture of reality with respect to what such a shirt symbolizes.
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Re: Shadow cast over the success of the Rosetta Mission

#600  Postby Rumraket » Nov 22, 2014 12:20 am

NamelessFaceless wrote:Uh, yeah, Pulsar that's not the same thing.

It wasn't the way he was dressed. It was the subtle - or not so subtle - message contained on his clothing. It's his message that's being criticized, not the style.

So that message contained on his clothing, what is that and how do you know that?
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