If only there were 13 @ScotTories MPs who Theresa May needed to keep sweet to keep her in government & then maybe Scotland could get...oh!

ronmcd wrote:

fisherman wrote:Sincere question. How else would a confidence and supply arrangement work, they have to get something, right?

Good question. Maybe a change in policy, rather than the equivalent of a couple of brown paper bags stuffed with cash?

Although to be fair, I don't fancy any of the changes in policy they wanted either.

UK-wide, the pensions triple lock will stay in place and there will be no means-testing of winter payments. The agreement also includes:
•£400 million over two years infrastructure plus £75 million for better broadband;
•£100 million to tackle deprivation over five years;
•£100 million extra for health and education over two years plus £200 million for “health service transformation”;
•A commitment to move more civil servants out of London and “across the UK”;
•Progress towards devolution of corporation tax beginning in the Autumn Budget; and
•Consultation on air passenger duty and VAT in Northern Ireland.

newolder wrote:Heh,

I guess she found that £1 Billion down the back of the magic sofa then.

1 billion = 109 = 106 x 103

Or £1k each to 1 million nurses.

There are

285,173 qualified nursing staff and health visitors

*

So that's more than £1500 extra to every nurse in the NHS for the next 2 years - and they earn a fucking living unlike the tossers in the DUP.


* NHSconfed source

Thommo wrote:...
So, is the implication that £500 million a year requires a magic money tree, or that £160,000 million a year doesn't?

fisherman wrote:

ronmcd wrote:

fisherman wrote:Sincere question. How else would a confidence and supply arrangement work, they have to get something, right?

Good question. Maybe a change in policy, rather than the equivalent of a couple of brown paper bags stuffed with cash?

Although to be fair, I don't fancy any of the changes in policy they wanted either.

I'm sure I saw a list today of the infrastructure investment for NI this deal will get them, it is to all intents an end to austerity [for NI] in this parliament - a policy objective achieved I would think.

UK-wide, the pensions triple lock will stay in place and there will be no means-testing of winter payments. The agreement also includes:
•£400 million over two years infrastructure plus £75 million for better broadband;
•£100 million to tackle deprivation over five years;
•£100 million extra for health and education over two years plus £200 million for “health service transformation”;
•A commitment to move more civil servants out of London and “across the UK”;
•Progress towards devolution of corporation tax beginning in the Autumn Budget; and
•Consultation on air passenger duty and VAT in Northern Ireland.

Calilasseia wrote:Someone posted this little snippet on FB:

The DUP should be minded of the words of Edward Carson speaking in 1921 on the Tory intrigues that had led him on a course that would partition Ireland: ‘What a fool I was. I was only a puppet, and so was Ulster, and so was Ireland, in that political game that was to get the Conservative party into power’.

newolder wrote:

Thommo wrote:...
So, is the implication that £500 million a year requires a magic money tree, or that £160,000 million a year doesn't?

I'm not sure I understand you. What does the £160 billion a year figure represent? Have I made an arithmetic mistake in my post?

ronmcd wrote:

fisherman wrote:

ronmcd wrote:

fisherman wrote:Sincere question. How else would a confidence and supply arrangement work, they have to get something, right?

Good question. Maybe a change in policy, rather than the equivalent of a couple of brown paper bags stuffed with cash?

Although to be fair, I don't fancy any of the changes in policy they wanted either.

I'm sure I saw a list today of the infrastructure investment for NI this deal will get them, it is to all intents an end to austerity [for NI] in this parliament - a policy objective achieved I would think.

UK-wide, the pensions triple lock will stay in place and there will be no means-testing of winter payments. The agreement also includes:
•£400 million over two years infrastructure plus £75 million for better broadband;
•£100 million to tackle deprivation over five years;
•£100 million extra for health and education over two years plus £200 million for “health service transformation”;
•A commitment to move more civil servants out of London and “across the UK”;
•Progress towards devolution of corporation tax beginning in the Autumn Budget; and
•Consultation on air passenger duty and VAT in Northern Ireland.

So ... wait.

Let's put this simply.

The list didn't exist BEFORE the Tories needed the DUP votes.

But now a list of stuff means it's not a bung.

Really?

Calilasseia wrote:Trouble is, the Tories are still open to this sort of riposte ...

ronmcd wrote:

fisherman wrote:

ronmcd wrote:

fisherman wrote:Sincere question. How else would a confidence and supply arrangement work, they have to get something, right?

Good question. Maybe a change in policy, rather than the equivalent of a couple of brown paper bags stuffed with cash?

Although to be fair, I don't fancy any of the changes in policy they wanted either.

I'm sure I saw a list today of the infrastructure investment for NI this deal will get them, it is to all intents an end to austerity [for NI] in this parliament - a policy objective achieved I would think.

UK-wide, the pensions triple lock will stay in place and there will be no means-testing of winter payments. The agreement also includes:
•£400 million over two years infrastructure plus £75 million for better broadband;
•£100 million to tackle deprivation over five years;
•£100 million extra for health and education over two years plus £200 million for “health service transformation”;
•A commitment to move more civil servants out of London and “across the UK”;
•Progress towards devolution of corporation tax beginning in the Autumn Budget; and
•Consultation on air passenger duty and VAT in Northern Ireland.

So ... wait.

Let's put this simply.

The list didn't exist BEFORE the Tories needed the DUP votes.

But now a list of stuff means it's not a bung.

Really?

Calilasseia wrote:Meanwhile, it appears some Australian comedians have given us this ...

As one commentator elsewhere stated, you know you've fucked up big time, if you're on the receiving end of a skit from a country that had Tony Abbott as prime minister ...

Calilasseia wrote:

Thommo wrote:

Calilasseia wrote:Trouble is, the Tories are still open to this sort of riposte ...

Have the DUP been given £1bn or has Northern Ireland?

Do you think NI would have been handed this money, if the Tories didn't need the DUP to help them cling to power? Er, no.

Calilasseia wrote:It's a fucking bung, plain and simple.

Thommo wrote:...
It's an approximate figure for the new borrowing that was being described as requiring a magic money tree in the quote you posted.

I agree with you that the £1bn over two years works out to a salary increase of roughly £1,500 for the 280,000 people you mentioned, so I don't see an arithmetic mistake.

So, is the implication of the quote that £160bn a year doesn't need a magic money tree or that £0.5bn a year does?

fisherman wrote:

ronmcd wrote:

fisherman wrote:

ronmcd wrote:
Good question. Maybe a change in policy, rather than the equivalent of a couple of brown paper bags stuffed with cash?

Although to be fair, I don't fancy any of the changes in policy they wanted either.

I'm sure I saw a list today of the infrastructure investment for NI this deal will get them, it is to all intents an end to austerity [for NI] in this parliament - a policy objective achieved I would think.

UK-wide, the pensions triple lock will stay in place and there will be no means-testing of winter payments. The agreement also includes:
•£400 million over two years infrastructure plus £75 million for better broadband;
•£100 million to tackle deprivation over five years;
•£100 million extra for health and education over two years plus £200 million for “health service transformation”;
•A commitment to move more civil servants out of London and “across the UK”;
•Progress towards devolution of corporation tax beginning in the Autumn Budget; and
•Consultation on air passenger duty and VAT in Northern Ireland.

So ... wait.

Let's put this simply.

The list didn't exist BEFORE the Tories needed the DUP votes.

But now a list of stuff means it's not a bung.

Really?

How do you figure the list did not exist? It's in their manifesto.

The only thing I don't see is anything explicitly stating the aim to tackle deprivation and to move civil servants out of London, but not really a stretch to get there from the pledges that they do make; such as protecting services or wanting to create a trade board and NI trade ambassadors.

Grubby or a bung if you want, I just don't see that any political party, particularly any regional party, would fail to extract concessions which have monetary impact when entering a confidence and supply arrangement.

ronmcd wrote:

fisherman wrote:

ronmcd wrote:

fisherman wrote:

I'm sure I saw a list today of the infrastructure investment for NI this deal will get them, it is to all intents an end to austerity [for NI] in this parliament - a policy objective achieved I would think.

So ... wait.

Let's put this simply.

The list didn't exist BEFORE the Tories needed the DUP votes.

But now a list of stuff means it's not a bung.

Really?

How do you figure the list did not exist? It's in their manifesto.

The only thing I don't see is anything explicitly stating the aim to tackle deprivation and to move civil servants out of London, but not really a stretch to get there from the pledges that they do make; such as protecting services or wanting to create a trade board and NI trade ambassadors.

Grubby or a bung if you want, I just don't see that any political party, particularly any regional party, would fail to extract concessions which have monetary impact when entering a confidence and supply arrangement.

But the list wasn't a list of things the UK govt were going to do. Okay, the SNP could pull out a list of things they want and have wanted, for example, and then use that list in exchange for votes. Extracting those things THAT THE UK GOVT HAD NO INTENTION OF DOING. But now they will, in exchange for votes?

I'm not blaming DUP for extracting a bung (or pork-barrel politics) due to the position the Tories put themselves in, I'm blaming the Tories.

And the Tory claim that this is normal, and it's like the City Deals, it's bollocks.