ronmcd wrote:Interestingly, I think in the 2014 referendum everyone (for different reasons) wanted to avoid talking about this point. The UK govt wanted to say LA LA LA NOT LISTENING LOOK OUR LAWYERS SAY WE'RE CONTINUING STATE and the Scottish govt wanted to keep it in their back pocket for the negotiations. Because the whole currency/oil/debts/assets discussion becomes very interesting in a legal and practical sense when Scotland is breaking a union of equals compared to leaving a continuing state.

The argument may resurface soon.

EU leaders make Theresa May wait until 1am to give five-minute Brexit speech, before ignoring her

EU leaders made Theresa May wait until 1am to deliver her message that Britain will not change its mind about Brexit - and gave her just five minutes to speak, before ignoring her speech.

At a Brussels dinner, the Prime Minister was made to wait until “long after the waiters were waiting to clear the dishes away”, one observer said.

No other leader spoke in response to Ms May’s brief speech – a united front reflecting the EU’s refusal to start exit negotiations until the formal Article 50 notice is invoked, early next year.

Donald Tusk, the European Council President, had urged all the other leaders to stay silent, because formal talks must not begin until that two-year process is underway.

May: UK will remain at centre of EU decision-making until Brexit

Prime minister angers European leaders at first EU summit by saying Britain wants to maintain central role until it leaves

Theresa May has angered European leaders by telling her first EU summit that she expects Britain to be at the centre of European decision-making until Brexit takes place.

In a brief speech at the end of an EU dinner in Brussels, the prime minister said Britain wanted to continue to play a central role in meetings and decisions until it leaves the EU.

The speech angered fellow leaders, according to Manfred Weber, leader of the Christian Democrats in the European parliament. He said: “When somebody wants to leave a club, it is not normal that such a member wants to decide about the future of this club. That is really creating a lot of anger about the behaviour of the British government. If you want to leave please do so, but don’t decide for the European Union.”

mrjonno wrote:But the EU is so undemocratic surely Merkel runs it

THE UK Government might seek to block any second Scottish independence referendum taking place until after the UK leaves the European Union in 2019, Whitehall sources have suggested.

They have said that it would be “a nightmare” for Theresa May and her ministers to have to negotiate the multiple complexities of Brexit with Brussels and simultaneously fight another Scottish campaign and, if there were a Yes vote, then conduct a whole raft of complicated negotiations with Edinburgh.

ronmcd wrote:Hahahaha. To quote Pete Wishart SNP MP: "As well as taking us out against our will they want to put in place a scorched earth policy so we can't stay in"

THE UK Government might seek to block any second Scottish independence referendum taking place until after the UK leaves the European Union in 2019, Whitehall sources have suggested.

They have said that it would be “a nightmare” for Theresa May and her ministers to have to negotiate the multiple complexities of Brexit with Brussels and simultaneously fight another Scottish campaign and, if there were a Yes vote, then conduct a whole raft of complicated negotiations with Edinburgh.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1481 ... l_sources/

Scot Dutchy wrote:I entirely agree. If you are definitely leaving you should have no say over the future of the club.

The CENTA troubles are just typical of what will happen with any agreement made with the UK. It has taken 7 years to get within 5 cms of the winning line and one local government throws a spanner in the works. I hope the UK now realises what problems it will have to get any agreement especially with so many hostile countries to speak to. At least in CENTA everybody wanted to work for the agreement. The stupid Wallonians wanted to get the last drop out of the bottom out of the can but now they have the got the lid on their nose (an old Dutch saying).

Alan B wrote:Yeah. It's fuck you, UK. Piss off.

It's our fucking club, you play by our rules!

At the moment I can't see anything that we (the UK) can hold over them.

And if we decide that Brexit is a 'no-go' and we want to remain, what will be the attitude of the rest of the EU? Do you think they will welcome us with open arms?