ronmcd wrote:I forgot it was on, I'll catch it later on .

mcgruff wrote:

ronmcd wrote:I forgot it was on, I'll catch it later on .

The highlight for me was all the talk about deals. We'll create a fantastic deal with EU. We're all about deals. It'll be awesome.

It's like listening to Trump.

One UK-based ambassador, with deep knowledge of the European Union, said: “They [British ministers] have realised that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ won’t fly. They are worried about people in this country who have an ideological and political intention of creating chaos. The civil service have told them it would create havoc.”

Byron wrote:And more generally, the BBC's been hopelessly subservient to Whitehall since the Hutton report castrated the corporation back in '04, forcing the resignation of its chairman and director general.

It's always been establishment, but at least used to have some measure of independence, and seriously challenged the government of the day. Now it's just a Whitehall Pravda, doing the government's bidding. Right now, that's bigging up Brexit: once May and her pack of bastards are driven from office, Auntie will bellow Ode to Joy if she's ordered.

mcgruff wrote:

ronmcd wrote:I forgot it was on, I'll catch it later on .

The highlight for me was all the talk about deals. We'll create a fantastic deal with EU. We're all about deals. It'll be awesome.

It's like listening to Trump.

Scot Dutchy wrote:What got me in that discussion on QT is how the way the UK's trading with the EU was considered the same and as important as the EU's trading with the UK. Strange maths involved here as when does 8% = 44%? Also how important was the UK's membership to the EU. The UK has a very inflated view of itself. Nothing was mentioned about how the UK has stopped any progress being made by the EU.

Tzelemel wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:What got me in that discussion on QT is how the way the UK's trading with the EU was considered the same and as important as the EU's trading with the UK. Strange maths involved here as when does 8% = 44%? Also how important was the UK's membership to the EU. The UK has a very inflated view of itself. Nothing was mentioned about how the UK has stopped any progress being made by the EU.

Oh you mean like how we consistently watered down EU environmental laws?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/20 ... vironment/

Quite frankly, given our attitude, I'm surprised the EU didn't show us out the door earlier. Charles de Gaulle was dead set against us joining in the first place, and I think I'm beginning to see why.

Tzelemel wrote:Oh you mean like how we consistently watered down EU environmental laws?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/20 ... vironment/

Quite frankly, given our attitude, I'm surprised the EU didn't show us out the door earlier. Charles de Gaulle was dead set against us joining in the first place, and I think I'm beginning to see why.

Daily Mail 'Legs-it' front page criticised as 'sexist, offensive and moronic'

Politicians join public in condemning and ridiculing newspaper headline that leers at Nicola Sturgeon and Theresa May

A Daily Mail front page that declared “Never mind Brexit, who won Legs-it!” next to a photograph of Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon and British prime minister Theresa May has prompted widespread outrage.

Inside the paper there was was more ogling at the female leaders, with a headline reading: “Finest weapons at their command? Those pins!” A column by Sarah Vine referred to Sturgeon’s legs as “altogether more flirty, tantalisingly crossed … a direct attempt at seduction”.

The front page, which appeared on Twitter on Monday night, met with instant criticism from politicians and the public.

Among the first to criticise the front page as sexist and offensive were the Labour MPs Harriet Harman and Yvette Cooper. Tony Blair’s former spin doctor, Alastair Campbell, labelled the paper “utter scum” and urged anyone who spotted a copy of the Mail to rip it up. The former Labour leader Ed Miliband tweeted: “The 1950s called and asked for their headline back.”
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Scot Dutchy wrote:We all know how low the Wail can sink to but even this would be a compliment to call it the gutter press.

Scot Dutchy wrote:We all know how low the Wail can sink to but even this would be a compliment to call it the gutter press.

Daily Mail 'Legs-it' front page criticised as 'sexist, offensive and moronic'

Politicians join public in condemning and ridiculing newspaper headline that leers at Nicola Sturgeon and Theresa May

A Daily Mail front page that declared “Never mind Brexit, who won Legs-it!” next to a photograph of Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon and British prime minister Theresa May has prompted widespread outrage.

Inside the paper there was was more ogling at the female leaders, with a headline reading: “Finest weapons at their command? Those pins!” A column by Sarah Vine referred to Sturgeon’s legs as “altogether more flirty, tantalisingly crossed … a direct attempt at seduction”.

The front page, which appeared on Twitter on Monday night, met with instant criticism from politicians and the public.

Among the first to criticise the front page as sexist and offensive were the Labour MPs Harriet Harman and Yvette Cooper. Tony Blair’s former spin doctor, Alastair Campbell, labelled the paper “utter scum” and urged anyone who spotted a copy of the Mail to rip it up. The former Labour leader Ed Miliband tweeted: “The 1950s called and asked for their headline back.”
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Tzelemel wrote:

Byron wrote:And more generally, the BBC's been hopelessly subservient to Whitehall since the Hutton report castrated the corporation back in '04, forcing the resignation of its chairman and director general.

It's always been establishment, but at least used to have some measure of independence, and seriously challenged the government of the day. Now it's just a Whitehall Pravda, doing the government's bidding. Right now, that's bigging up Brexit: once May and her pack of bastards are driven from office, Auntie will bellow Ode to Joy if she's ordered.

And yet, Brexiters are still claiming the BBC is biased AGAINST Brexit.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/783908 ... t-research

Especially if the comments are anything to go by.

Alan B wrote:When Labour was in power, the BBC was Tory biassed; with the Tories in power the BBC is 'against the Tories' and so on and so on...

And while MEPs will say that Britain should be allowed to change its mind about leaving the EU during the two years of talks, they will insist that this must be strictly on terms decreed by the remaining 27 EU member states. MEPs want to ensure that revocation of the triggering of article 50 will not be used by the UK simply to buy more negotiating time once the two years of talks laid down in the treaty of Lisbon are done.

OlivierK wrote:So, it's today that the UK government:

(a) commits to honouring the result of areferendum held before the terms and consequences of Brexit were known, and
(b) tries to block a referendum from being held before (or even soon after) the terms and consequences of Brexit are known.

It's astounding where the big lie can lead you. Pretty soon reality's going to intrude.

Ink drying on shortest suicide note in history. Tomorrow Great Britain becomes Little England. Don't say that we weren't warned.