pl0bs wrote:Rumraket wrote:No, all you did was put words in my mouth. I didn't say it was something more
Ah, see you think that consciousness is the 2mm spacetime. Conclusion, 1mm spacetime is conscious to some degree also.
, I said that difference, the 1mm vs 2mm, can have consequences for how it interacts with other matter and energy. That's it. To me, C is simply such a case. This is perfectly compatible with materialism. But we can keep re-asserting this shit over and over again... your arrogance is noted.
It interacts according to the fundamental interactions identified by physics. Not according to some new irreducible higher level property.
I would really appreciate it if you would stop putting words in my mouth or make these ridicluous assumptions about what I think about C, or what I say could possibly entail.
What you just said doesn't represent my position, or change the fact that my description of C is compatible with materialism. You seem to have this underlying assumtion that
we think C is somehow... magical?
C is the product of a material pattern. That pattern, when in action and unbroken, is making what we
describe as C. Just like a pattern of atoms is making electrons capture and reemit photons of a specific frequency, the pattern of matter in the brain is making C.
What that pattern does, it's specific action, is what we describe as Consciousness. You can divide this pattern up into smaller sections, but these sections individually have different actions, different behaviors. They may contribute to a part of the behavior, the action we describe and label as C. But the whole of it, when the particles are moving in that pattern, we describe as C.
The pattern, the action, the behavior we label C, is only found in the brain. When you break or alter the pattern, you either partially or completely break or alter C.
Consciousness, the brain, is just a label applied to a number of material parts interacting in a certain specific way. When you take parts away, or alter the pattern, you no longer have the same actions resulting from it. Particles no longer move in that specific pattern, the pattern has been altered and so that changed pattern is no longer producing what we describe as C.
That first thing you said was outright stupid, to be honest. C is "capture of photons at frequency H", and C only happens at 1mm apart or less. Anything over 1 mm apart will not capture photons of frequency H, at all,
and is therefore not C at all. Please graps this elementary concept. The electrons can not partially/fractionally or
almost capture photons. They either do, or they don't. But don't whine to me about this elementary fact of physics...
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