mindhack wrote:The sex I did have with female friends, way back, was more like an extension of sex education.

We were horny alright, but it allowed us to try stuff out in a "friendly" environment, without too much risks involved, so to speak.

Friends of opposite sex can fancy eachother, have sex with eachother, without changing too much. We remained friends and didn't expect anything to change afterwards.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

mindhack wrote:The sex I did have with female friends, way back, was more like an extension of sex education.

We were horny alright, but it allowed us to try stuff out in a "friendly" environment, without too much risks involved, so to speak.

Friends of opposite sex can fancy eachother, have sex with eachother, without changing too much. We remained friends and didn't expect anything to change afterwards.

FIFY, as I assume you didn't want to make that implication.

Onyx8 wrote:

I Punch Your Face wrote:You can have friends of the opposite sex, but only under two possible conditions :

1) There's no attraction involved, or very little. But bear in mind that sometimes women see friendships in terms of their usefulness whereas men tend to value qualities, attributes and general companionship.
2) You're already doing the horizontal dance and you develop the friendship as time goes by. In other words, the friendship must be based on romance / intimacy and the natural dynamic between male and female.

Other than that, friendships between men and women are fake.

So the friendships I have with the women I know are fake, are they? Thanks for letting me know, I'll be sure to tell them when I next hang out, at least we'll have a bit of a laugh.

Blip wrote:

I Punch Your Face wrote:

Blip wrote:

I Punch Your Face wrote:You can have friends of the opposite sex, but only under two possible conditions :

1) There's no attraction involved, or very little. But bear in mind that sometimes women see friendships in terms of their usefulness whereas men tend to value qualities, attributes and general companionship.
2) You're already doing the horizontal dance and you develop the friendship as time goes by. In other words, the friendship must be based on romance / intimacy and the natural dynamic between male and female.

Other than that, friendships between men and women are fake.

My emphasis. That's a bold assertion to make: do you have any evidence for it? Disappointing personal experiences, if any, don't count.

I query your point (2) and conclusion as well.

It's not from disappointing personal experiences. Why would I be disappointed by the lack of something that I never expected in the first place? In all my years I've only probably come across two friendships between women that are comparable to the average male-male friendship in terms of sincerity. Pretty much all the men that I personally know would say roughly the same thing, and also a lot of the women I know too.

Well, I'd say that perhaps some people, regardless of gender, see friendships in terms of their usefulness whereas most of us 'tend to value qualities, attributes and general companionship'. I myself am in the latter category.

The_Metatron wrote:The number of friends I have is less than the fingers of one hand. What a load of poo to suggest rejecting another person as such a friend based on their gender.

I Punch Your Face wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:The number of friends I have is less than the fingers of one hand. What a load of poo to suggest rejecting another person as such a friend based on their gender.

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that female-female friendships aren't as sincere as male-male. Come on, you know this stuff, everyone knows this, let's not be politically correct, let's just tell the truth as it is.

I Punch Your Face wrote: In all my years I've only probably come across two friendships between women that are comparable to the average male-male friendship in terms of sincerity.

I Punch Your Face wrote:Well generally it's true, friendships between men and women, and between women and women, are not sincere in the way that they are between men.

virphen wrote:

I Punch Your Face wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:The number of friends I have is less than the fingers of one hand. What a load of poo to suggest rejecting another person as such a friend based on their gender.

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that female-female friendships aren't as sincere as male-male. Come on, you know this stuff, everyone knows this, let's not be politically correct, let's just tell the truth as it is.

Ok, let's just tell it how it is - this is sexist bullshit, and you can fuck off with it.

I Punch Your Face wrote:I've had this exact same conversation with many women, and only 1 has accused me of being sexist (while sort of agreeing at the same time, which was weird).

I Punch Your Face wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:The number of friends I have is less than the fingers of one hand. What a load of poo to suggest rejecting another person as such a friend based on their gender.

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that female-female friendships aren't as sincere as male-male. Come on, you know this stuff, everyone knows this, let's not be politically correct, let's just tell the truth as it is.

Doubtdispelled wrote:

I Punch Your Face wrote:I've had this exact same conversation with many women, and only 1 has accused me of being sexist (while sort of agreeing at the same time, which was weird).

You must know some very strange women.

I Punch Your Face wrote:The rest mostly agree and laugh.

I Punch Your Face wrote:It's actually bizarre how things which are common knowledge are denied on internet forums.

Doubtdispelled wrote:

I Punch Your Face wrote:The rest mostly agree and laugh.

So these women - unless you speak to them all individually about this, which would be quite time consuming given the use of 'many' - who presumably know each other and some of whom will probably claim to be friends with each other, all nod and laugh when you ask them if they are insincere in their friendships with other women. Then they all presumably narrow their eyes and look at each other sideways......

I Punch Your Face wrote:

virphen wrote:

I Punch Your Face wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:The number of friends I have is less than the fingers of one hand. What a load of poo to suggest rejecting another person as such a friend based on their gender.

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that female-female friendships aren't as sincere as male-male. Come on, you know this stuff, everyone knows this, let's not be politically correct, let's just tell the truth as it is.

Ok, let's just tell it how it is - this is sexist bullshit, and you can fuck off with it.

I find it extraordinary how some topics are discussed very differently depending on if it's online or in real life. I've had this exact same conversation with many women, and only 1 has accused me of being sexist (while sort of agreeing at the same time, which was weird). The rest mostly agree and laugh. But then again, real life doesn't have moderators so people tend to speak freely about what they observe in day to day life.

I Punch Your Face wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:The number of friends I have is less than the fingers of one hand. What a load of poo to suggest rejecting another person as such a friend based on their gender.

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that female-female friendships aren't as sincere as male-male. Come on, you know this stuff, everyone knows this, let's not be politically correct, let's just tell the truth as it is.