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Re: XBOX reveal. May 21st. 5pm (GMT).

#481  Postby Animavore » Jun 27, 2013 5:57 pm

purplerat wrote:It's kind of a catch 22 on the pricing though, as much of why digital copies are the same price is so not to undercut retail partners. As long as the industry is heavily reliant on retail sales, digital prices will remain the same as hard copies. Of course as consumers more organically transition over to digital and continue to pay the same price then there is no real incentive for prices to go down.

At least if you're paying full price for digital then you know more of your money is going to the people actually involved in making the games as opposed to people who's only role was to cut open a box and stock shelves; if that brings comfort to you.


No more or less than putting those people out of a job brings discomfort to me.
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#482  Postby purplerat » Jun 27, 2013 6:02 pm

Animavore wrote:
purplerat wrote:It's kind of a catch 22 on the pricing though, as much of why digital copies are the same price is so not to undercut retail partners. As long as the industry is heavily reliant on retail sales, digital prices will remain the same as hard copies. Of course as consumers more organically transition over to digital and continue to pay the same price then there is no real incentive for prices to go down.

At least if you're paying full price for digital then you know more of your money is going to the people actually involved in making the games as opposed to people who's only role was to cut open a box and stock shelves; if that brings comfort to you.


No more or less than putting those people out of a job brings discomfort to me.

I meant comfort in a more selfish manner. i.e. putting more money in the hands of game makers = more/better games (hopefully). I don't benefit much from putting more money into the hands of game retailers, particularly now that it's almost entirely large corporations as opposed to locally owned businesses.
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Re: XBOX reveal. May 21st. 5pm (GMT).

#483  Postby Mazille » Jul 01, 2013 8:39 am

Hur-hur. By now I'm guessing that Sony has actually bought MS's console department and is using it as a PR machine.


[...]Microsoft announced that the Xbox One will not only ship without a headset, but standard headsets - including the 360 model - won't be compatible with the new system. The official Xbox One headset (designed to work with the controller's uniquely-shaped auxiliary port) will be sold separately, and for the time being it seems the only options are to throw that extra cash to Microsoft or use the Kinect's built-in microphone. [...]


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Microsoft hopes to use the voice recognition features of the new Kinect to deliver targeted advertisements to individual users.

If you already have concerns about the Kinect 2.0 being able to "spy" on you and record your habits, this news from the Technical Account Manager for Xbox LIVE Advertising probably won't help. "With the new Xbox One, the technology and Kinect has improved a lot, so that actually the voice recognition, the way you speak to your Xbox and the transition between gaming and watching TV is a lot smoother, and hopefully we can transpire that into advertising that we do." He went on to say that the new Xbox One dashboard was designed "with advertising in mind." [...]


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Re: XBOX reveal. May 21st. 5pm (GMT).

#484  Postby Thommo » Jul 01, 2013 8:48 am

:lol:

Some of this shit microsoft is coming up with is straight out of big brother. Frankly I feel like not only would I not pay a few hundred quid for one of these, but I'm not sure I'd take one if they paid me a few hundred quid.
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#485  Postby Mazille » Jul 01, 2013 8:52 am

It's not like I haven't called it weeks ago, but for them to actually come out and say it like that just baffles me.
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#486  Postby Animavore » Jul 01, 2013 8:53 am

Oh, MIcrosoft.
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#487  Postby mraltair » Jul 01, 2013 9:27 am

I saw this last week, but it kind of makes sense for them to not bother with the headset if you have a microphone with the kinect. It makes even more sense when you think about how with a headset you get a very up close and loud relationship with the high pitched voices of Xbox Live. No one wants that, let it be drowned out by explosions and gunfire.
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#488  Postby electricwhiteboy » Jul 01, 2013 9:42 am

It ships with Kinect... I fail to see why you need a headset. Honestly, where's the beef here?
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#489  Postby mraltair » Jul 01, 2013 9:48 am

electricwhiteboy wrote:It ships with Kinect... I fail to see why you need a headset. Honestly, where's the beef here?


I can see it's use for multi-player. It's better to have the game SFX come through your TV/speakers and then the comms with other players through the headset, it makes the voice clearer. I've never used kinect, so I don't know how sensitive the microphone will be. It'd be annoying if you've got to raise your voice to talk to people, fine for short commands to your Xbox but your family may throw the kinect against a wall to shut you up.
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#490  Postby Mazille » Jul 01, 2013 9:50 am

Never mind the headset, although it's still a way to only sell proprietary, overpriced headsets to those that want to use headsets, shutting out cheaper, or higher quality alternatives, not to mention headsets people might already have. Probably for their Xbox 360 even.

What really baffles me is the advertising thing.
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#491  Postby Thommo » Jul 01, 2013 9:53 am

electricwhiteboy wrote:It ships with Kinect... I fail to see why you need a headset. Honestly, where's the beef here?


You can argue about whether it needs a headset socket or not, but if you're going to have one deliberately making the socket incompatible with standard headsets such as the one xbox360 owners already have is a spectacularly grubby and anti-consumerist way of going about it.
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#492  Postby Mazille » Jul 01, 2013 9:57 am

I can't wait for European watchdog societies to catch wind of this whole "targeted ad" and "kinect is watching you" crap. It's a class action suit or ten waiting to happen.
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#493  Postby DoctorE » Jul 01, 2013 9:28 pm

Microsoft house cleaning...
Xbox president Don Mattrick is leaving Microsoft and is close to taking the role of CEO at social gaming giant Zynga, All Things Digital reports.

Sources close to All Things Digital said the official announcement of Mattrick’s appointment could be made as early as today, and that the executive has been in discussions with Zynga about the role for some time. The site adds that Mattrick has also been one of front-runners to step into the currently vacant CEO position at EA

Continues: http://www.gamespot.com/news/don-mattri ... rt-6410944
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#494  Postby OnkelCannabia » Jul 02, 2013 3:55 pm

Thommo wrote:
electricwhiteboy wrote:It ships with Kinect... I fail to see why you need a headset. Honestly, where's the beef here?


You can argue about whether it needs a headset socket or not, but if you're going to have one deliberately making the socket incompatible with standard headsets such as the one xbox360 owners already have is a spectacularly grubby and anti-consumerist way of going about it.

what does the PS4 use?
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#495  Postby Thommo » Jul 02, 2013 4:01 pm

OnkelCannabia wrote:
Thommo wrote:You can argue about whether it needs a headset socket or not, but if you're going to have one deliberately making the socket incompatible with standard headsets such as the one xbox360 owners already have is a spectacularly grubby and anti-consumerist way of going about it.

what does the PS4 use?


Sorry, I don't know. I wouldn't put it past sony to be anti-consumerist as well, though they do seem to have avoided many of the mis-steps microsoft are currently making.
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#496  Postby Animavore » Jul 02, 2013 4:03 pm

Thommo wrote:
OnkelCannabia wrote:
Thommo wrote:You can argue about whether it needs a headset socket or not, but if you're going to have one deliberately making the socket incompatible with standard headsets such as the one xbox360 owners already have is a spectacularly grubby and anti-consumerist way of going about it.

what does the PS4 use?


Sorry, I don't know. I wouldn't put it past sony to be anti-consumerist as well, though they do seem to have avoided many of the mis-steps microsoft are currently making.


The new PS joypad has a standard audio jack built into it into which you plug the supplied headset. I believe you can still use any bluetooth head sets you may already own. Though with no scart support your AV/Audio headsets won't be compatible.
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Re: XBOX reveal. May 21st. 5pm (GMT).

#497  Postby mraltair » Jul 02, 2013 5:16 pm

DoctorE wrote:Microsoft house cleaning...
Xbox president Don Mattrick is leaving Microsoft and is close to taking the role of CEO at social gaming giant Zynga, All Things Digital reports.

Sources close to All Things Digital said the official announcement of Mattrick’s appointment could be made as early as today, and that the executive has been in discussions with Zynga about the role for some time. The site adds that Mattrick has also been one of front-runners to step into the currently vacant CEO position at EA

Continues: http://www.gamespot.com/news/don-mattri ... rt-6410944


Not sure that's how your supposed to jump ship, isn't Zynga expected to sink too? Maybe this is the guy with all the bad ideas.
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#498  Postby Thommo » Jul 02, 2013 5:21 pm

Animavore wrote:The new PS joypad has a standard audio jack built into it into which you plug the supplied headset. I believe you can still use any bluetooth head sets you may already own. Though with no scart support your AV/Audio headsets won't be compatible.


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Re: XBOX reveal. May 21st. 5pm (GMT).

#499  Postby purplerat » Jul 02, 2013 9:21 pm

Regarding the change to the headset, it's been my experience that the 360 wired headset is complete garbage and regularly fails at the point where it connects with the controller. Looking at the image of the One headset it looks like it might be a legit improvement.
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#500  Postby Mazille » Jul 03, 2013 6:15 am

It might be. I still assure you it won't be cheap. I'm also guessing that most gamers have perfectly good headsets at home already. Why force them to buy the proprietary one, other than out of pure greed?
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