Now I want to see a Muslim answer this and get a 5%.

Hmm. If you answer 'undecided' to every question, you score 50%

SafeAsMilk wrote:Now I want to see a Muslim answer this and get a 5%.

Like I said before, it'd just depend on which bits of the Qur'an they'd been reading. I could imagine Cat Stevens scoring somewhere in the 90s, but Abu Qatada would probably get lower marks than most of us.

According to the test I'm already an imam

BlackBart wrote:Hmm. If you answer 'undecided' to every question, you score 50%

Yeah.

When I answered honestly, I got 73%, "very compatible".

Which is deceptive, as the questions do not touch upon the core of what is necessary to be a Muslim. To be a Muslim - as I understand it - one must believe two key propositions:

1. There exists one, and only one, God.

2. Mohammed is the messenger of God.

If you believe in those two propositions, you are a Muslim. If you think that one or both are false, you are not. It's just that simple. A person who scored 100% on this absurd questionnaire, yet did not believe the two propositions, would be no more a Muslim than someone who scored 0%.

Ironclad wrote:This has to be a hoax, has to be... 67%.

The answers are lying surely. Should women cover up - no; one true faith - no; one god - undec

Islam has historically been way more tolerant of the idea that different religions contain partial truths than Christianity has, so ...

I think the questions were way badly framed.

Let's look at a few examples of poorly framed questions:
"Do you believe if God exists, only God can forgive sins? For example, no intermediaries can forgive sins, unlike confession in Catholicism."
This forgets about the victim of transgressions - if I beat you up, aren't you the most important person involved in the forgiveness process, rather than God? This doesn't even permit for that - this basically makes every transgression most saliently a thing about God and removes the human victim out of the question.

"12. Do you feel that many of those considered divine prophets/messengers (if they existed), e.g. Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad delivered the same basic message of oneness of God, oneness of mankind and doing good deeds?"
No. Jesus probably was very much a (well, by some notion) Jewish proto-nationalist of some kind, as were many of the Jewish prophets. Some notion of oneness of mankind may be sort of present in what many of them taught, but some notion of difference is also rather prevalent. So basically ,the question conflates too many things.

"15. Would you like a belief system which clearly states how it proves itself?"
Like, sure, because it makes things more formal. Adhere to and believe in, probably not.

17. "Faith not supported by reason and empirical evidence is wishful thinking."
Would like to add about a ton of qualifying statements about heuristics and such to this, where being per se wrong is not that bad as long as it gets reasonably working results.

Matt_B wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:Now I want to see a Muslim answer this and get a 5%.

Like I said before, it'd just depend on which bits of the Qur'an they'd been reading. I could imagine Cat Stevens scoring somewhere in the 90s, but Abu Qatada would probably get lower marks than most of us.

Ah, so it's a "religion of peace" questionnaire.

61%

Try this version:
1) Do you believe in djinn?
a) yes
b )no
c) only with tonic

2) Where should you light a fire
a) outside your tent
b) inside your tent
c) on a wealthy Jew's chest

3) Should 6 year old girls be
a) seen and not heard
b) treasured
c) married

4) Does the sun set in
a) the East
b) the West
c) a muddy puddle

etc etc ad infinitum
See, it's easy to make one with more discriminating questions.

Yep, still a Muslim.

45% (their questions, not mine!)
I think I'd have come nearer 25% if the questions hadn't been fudged.
The "test" is clearly intended to show that Islam is reasonable, rather than to examine the respondents.
For instance
1) environment is probably in opposition to the American religious right.
3) religious truth is to show Islam is the boss of inferior religions that are a bit right
4) orginal sin is a dig at Christians in general and RCs in particular
6) women covering is a claim that it's not in the Koran, pretending that Islamic culture doesn't demand it
15 belief system - Islam claims to prove itself!
17 faith supported by reason - clearly a claim that Islam is!!!
19 freedom of religion - pull the other one

I got 33% yes (7 questions) and 14 questions no. Of course, they are fucked in the head by counting their religion or any religion as a "yes" to some of those questions. They seriously believe their religion is based on empirical evidence?

I got 67% like Ironclad, but TBH I found some of the questions impossible to answer honestly.

"If God exists, do you believe there can be only one God?"

Er... but he doesn't exist. Are you asking me what I would believe if I lived in some whacko parallel universe with no connection to the real one?

"Do you think the law of requital is fair, i.e. equivalence: what good you do will be given back to you (in the next life if there is one), what bad you do will be given back to you (in the next life if there is one)?"

Er, it doesn't exist. How can it be fair or not?

Good thing I'm 67% muslim. Otherwise these weaknesses in my faith would be most disturbing.

3. Do you believe there is only one true religion rather than elements of truth in many religions?

Apparently the "correct" answer for a muslim is no...

Pulsar wrote:3. Do you believe there is only one true religion rather than elements of truth in many religions?

Apparently the "correct" answer for a muslim is no...

As I already said, Islam has historically been rather tolerant of the idea that most religions have a large number of elements of truth to them.

58%

The way I understand it, the test is not to show who is Muslim and who isn't, but except for entertainment value it is to show that despite having a blind faith one can behave acceptably.

Pulsar wrote:3. Do you believe there is only one true religion rather than elements of truth in many religions?

Apparently the "correct" answer for a muslim is no...

Of course, Islam has no history of it's own so it is dependent on some parts of bibel v1 and bibel v2 for it's own truth.

They really hate polytheists though, so when they say 'many religions' they mean just two.

Beatsong wrote:I got 67% like Ironclad

We should start a breakaway movement. Riches n hitches, brother!

I'm 100% sure the test is arranged to get the results they want.

What a farce.

RS

Beatsong wrote:I got 67% like Ironclad

We should start a breakaway movement. Riches n bitches, brother!


Erp, edit fail.