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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#261  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 22, 2022 5:44 pm

Best thread I could find to share this:

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently released updated official mortality data that showed 45,222 firearm-related deaths in the United States in 2020 — a new peak.1 Although previous analyses have shown increases in firearm-related mortality in recent years (2015 to 2019), as compared with the relatively stable rates from earlier years (1999 to 2014),2,3 these new data show a sharp 13.5% increase in the crude rate of firearm-related death from 2019 to 2020.1 This change was driven largely by firearm homicides, which saw a 33.4% increase in the crude rate from 2019 to 2020, whereas the crude rate of firearm suicides increased by 1.1%.1 Given that firearm homicides disproportionately affect younger people in the United States,3 these data call for an update to the findings of Cunningham et al. regarding the leading causes of death among U.S. children and adolescents.4
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#262  Postby Alan C » Apr 23, 2022 1:49 am

I thought the CDC was verboten from talking about gun deaths etc.
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#263  Postby The_Metatron » Apr 23, 2022 1:59 am

Credulous ground apes with lots of guns. I’m sure it’ll work out.

I am ashamed.

My words eight years ago in this topic were accurate. Not enough dead kids here yet.

Here we are, eight years later. None of the remedies discussed in that original call to action have happened. Nothing has changed, except perhaps for the worse. I don’t think there are many days without a mass shooting somewhere here.

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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#264  Postby Tortured_Genius » May 24, 2022 9:47 pm

Well here we go again: Texas shooting: Fifteen killed in attack at US primary school (BBC)

Fourteen 5-11 years olds dead, 1 adult teacher, the 18 year old gunman, 10 year old girl and 66 year old woman in critical condition.

Anyone who claims that this level of violence has nothing to do with the stupidly easy availability of firearms in the USA is delusional.

Speaking on the floor of the US Senate in Washington DC on Tuesday, Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Murphy accused his colleagues of complacency and begged them to pass gun control legislation.

"What are we doing? Why are you here? If not to solve a problem as existential as this? This isn't inevitable," he said.

"These kids weren't unlucky. This only happens in this country. Nowhere else do kids go to school and think they might be shot that day."

A 2020 report from the US Government Accountability Office found that about two-thirds of all school shootings happen at the high school level, and that shootings in elementary schools are most commonly accidental.


My bold, because why the flying fuck are "shootings in elementary schools", even accidental ones, a thing?

Edit: I can't believe how angry I am about this, given that it isn't even in my country.
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#265  Postby aliihsanasl » May 24, 2022 10:08 pm

I read on Twitter that this is the 27th school mass shooting couldnt believe and checked, found a web site confirming that stat its insane. Just think about kids going to school and think whether s-he will be shot that day or their parents. And people still defend amendment with "cars kill people, ban them too" *facepalm"

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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#266  Postby The_Piper » May 25, 2022 12:08 am

And some boomers call this generation who are going through school you know weaklings and snowflakes and all that s*** they have active shooter drills come on f****** boomers and they're mostly they're responsible for this b******* but f****** worshiping the second amendment as if it's a f****** holy Bible.


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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#267  Postby don't get me started » May 25, 2022 12:18 am

Yep. Truly sickening.

My little 'uns headed off for school this morning ( a five minute walk through quiet suburban streets) and I am not at all concerned that a maniac with an automatic weapon will be making an appearance during the day.

I think that for many of these 2nd amendment types a heap of small bodies is just 'a price worth paying' in order to have 'freedom'.

(What they mean is: My "freedom to" outweighs any concern of your "freedom from".)
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#268  Postby Spearthrower » May 25, 2022 3:06 am

aliihsanasl wrote:I read on Twitter that this is the 27th school mass shooting....



... this year!



27 over the period of modern history would be a terrible statistic.

But the USA's absurd permissiveness of gun culture can't even be called grotesque. If this is what liberty looks like, I'll take whatever the other option is.
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#269  Postby Spearthrower » May 25, 2022 7:57 am

Biden wrote:"Why do we keep letting this happen?... Why are we willing to live with this carnage?"


You're the fucking President of the nation, so if you can't figure out how to stop it, don't expect others to either. The reason why it keeps happening is because politicians are either unwilling through venality or unable to do what their constituents want or need in the US because of massive vested interests having corrupted the political system decades ago.

Little children are paying the price for the US's dysfunctional society and politics - another checked box on the list comparing the US to deeply impoverished nations and failed states.
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#270  Postby Tortured_Genius » May 25, 2022 2:50 pm

Good grief:

Robb Elementary School is part of Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, which outlines on its website its policy of preventative security measures.

According to the document, these include four dedicated police officers - including a chief, a detective and two officers. It appears that one of these was present in the school at the time of the attack. Sgt Erick Estrada of Texas Department of Public Safety told CNN the shooter was initially "engaged by an Uvalde ISD police officer who works here at the school".

Among the security measures listed for schools in the district are perimeter fencing, training and drills in emergency protocols for staff and students, and random visits from sniffer dogs. Teachers are instructed to keep classroom doors locked.


(From the BBC web feed)

You know schools in other countries don't have to have all that security shit?

Come to think of it, I've worked at military bases where we didn't have that much security shit.
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#271  Postby Animavore » May 25, 2022 4:04 pm

Heather Cox Richardsonprovides valuableinsight (as usual) on the totally modern invention of gun rights.


May 24, 2022 (Tuesday)

Today, a gunman murdered at least 19 children and 2 adults at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.

For years now, after one massacre or another, I have written some version of the same article, explaining that the nation’s current gun free-for-all is not traditional but, rather, is a symptom of the takeover of our nation by a radical extremist minority. The idea that massacres are “the price of freedom,” as right-wing personality Bill O’Reilly said in 2017 after the Mandalay Bay massacre in Las Vegas, in which a gunman killed 60 people and wounded 411 others, is new, and it is about politics, not our history.

The Second Amendment to the Constitution, on which modern-day arguments for widespread gun ownership rest, is one simple sentence: “A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” There’s not a lot to go on about what the Framers meant, although in their day, to “bear arms” meant to be part of an organized militia.

As the Tennessee Supreme Court wrote in 1840, “A man in the pursuit of deer, elk, and buffaloes might carry his rifle every day for forty years, and yet it would never be said of him that he had borne arms; much less could it be said that a private citizen bears arms because he has a dirk or pistol concealed under his clothes, or a spear in a cane.”

Today’s insistence that the Second Amendment gives individuals a broad right to own guns comes from two places.

One is the establishment of the National Rifle Association in New York in 1871, in part to improve the marksmanship skills of American citizens who might be called on to fight in another war, and in part to promote in America the British sport of elite shooting, complete with hefty cash prizes in newly organized tournaments. Just a decade after the Civil War, veterans jumped at the chance to hone their former skills. Rifle clubs sprang up across the nation.

By the 1920s, rifle shooting was a popular American sport. “Riflemen” competed in the Olympics, in colleges, and in local, state, and national tournaments organized by the NRA. Being a good marksman was a source of pride, mentioned in public biographies, like being a good golfer. In 1925, when the secretary of the NRA apparently took money from ammunition and arms manufacturers, the organization tossed him out and sued him.

NRA officers insisted on the right of citizens to own rifles and handguns but worked hard to distinguish between law-abiding citizens who should have access to guns for hunting and target shooting and protection, and criminals and mentally ill people, who should not. In 1931, amid fears of bootlegger gangs, the NRA backed federal legislation to limit concealed weapons; prevent possession by criminals, the mentally ill and children; to require all dealers to be licensed; and to require background checks before delivery. It backed the 1934 National Firearms Act, and parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act, designed to stop what seemed to be America’s hurtle toward violence in that turbulent decade.

But in the mid-1970s, a faction in the NRA forced the organization away from sports and toward opposing “gun control.” It formed a political action committee (PAC) in 1975, and two years later it elected an organization president who abandoned sporting culture and focused instead on “gun rights.”

This was the second thing that led us to where we are today: leaders of the NRA embraced the politics of Movement Conservatism, the political movement that rose to combat the business regulations and social welfare programs that both Democrats and Republicans embraced after World War II. Movement Conservatives embraced the myth of the American cowboy as a white man standing against the “socialism” of the federal government as it sought to level the economic playing field between Black Americans and their white neighbors.

Leaders like Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater personified the American cowboy, with his cowboy hat and opposition to government regulation, while television Westerns showed good guys putting down bad guys without the interference of the government.

In 1972, the Republican platform had called for gun control to restrict the sale of “cheap handguns,” but in 1975, as he geared up to challenge President Gerald R. Ford for the 1976 presidential nomination, Movement Conservative hero Ronald Reagan took a stand against gun control. In 1980, the Republican platform opposed the federal registration of firearms, and the NRA endorsed a presidential candidate—Reagan—for the first time.
When President Reagan took office, a new American era, dominated by Movement Conservatives, began. And the power of the NRA over American politics grew.

In 1981 a gunman trying to kill Reagan shot and paralyzed his press secretary, James Brady, and wounded Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy and police officer Thomas Delahanty. After the shooting, then-representative Charles Schumer (D-NY) introduced legislation that became known as the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, or the Brady Bill, to require background checks before gun purchases. Reagan, who was a member of the NRA, endorsed the bill, but the NRA spent millions of dollars to defeat it.

After the Brady Bill passed in 1993, the NRA paid for lawsuits in nine states to strike it down. Until 1959, every single legal article on the Second Amendment concluded that it was not intended to guarantee individuals the right to own a gun. But in the 1970s, legal scholars funded by the NRA had begun to argue that the Second Amendment did exactly that.

In 1997, when the Brady Bill cases came before the Supreme Court as Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court declared parts of the measure unconstitutional.

Now a player in national politics, the NRA was awash in money from gun and ammunition manufacturers. By 2000 it was one of the three most powerful lobbies in Washington. It spent more than $40 million on the 2008 election. In that year, the landmark Supreme Court decision of District of Columbia v. Heller struck down gun regulations and declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms.

Increasingly, NRA money backed Republican candidates. In 2012 the NRA spent $9 million in the presidential election, and in 2014 it spent $13 million. Then, in 2016, it spent over $50 million on Republican candidates, including more than $30 million on Trump’s effort to win the White House. This money was vital to Trump, since many other Republican super PACs refused to back him. The NRA spent more money on Trump than any other outside group, including the leading Trump super PAC, which spent $20.3 million.

The unfettered right to own and carry weapons has come to symbolize the Republican Party’s ideology of individual liberty. Lawmakers and activists have not been able to overcome Republican insistence on gun rights despite the mass shootings that have risen since their new emphasis on guns. Even though 90% of Americans—including nearly 74% of NRA members—support background checks, Republicans have killed such legislation by filibustering it.

The NRA will hold its 2022 annual meeting this Friday in Houston. Former president Trump will speak, along with Texas governor Greg Abbott, senator Ted Cruz, and representative Dan Crenshaw; North Carolina lieutenant governor Mark Robinson; and South Dakota governor Kristi Noem—all Republicans. NRA executive vice president and chief executive officer Wayne LaPierre expressed his enthusiasm for the lineup by saying: “President Trump delivered on his promises by appointing judges who respect and value the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and in doing so helped ensure the freedom of generations of Americans.”

Tonight, President Joe Biden spoke to the nation: “Why are we willing to live with this carnage? Why do we keep letting this happen?... It’s time to turn this pain into action. For every parent, for every citizen in this country, we have to make it clear to every elected official in this country, it’s time to act.” In the Senate, Chris Murphy (D-CT) said, "I am here on this floor, to beg, to literally get down on my hands and knees and beg my colleagues....find a way to pass laws that make this less likely."

But it was Steve Kerr, the coach of the Golden State Warriors basketball team, whose father was murdered by gunmen in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1984, who best expressed the outrage of the nation. At a press conference tonight, shaking, he said, “I’m not going to talk about basketball…. Any basketball questions don’t matter…. Fourteen children were killed 400 miles from here, and a teacher, and in the last ten days we’ve had elderly Black people killed in a supermarket in Buffalo, we’ve had Asian churchgoers killed in Southern California, and now we have children murdered at school. WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO SOMETHING? I’m tired, I’m so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families…. I’m tired of the moments of silence. Enough. There’s 50 senators…who refuse to vote on HR 8, which is a background check rule that the House passed a couple years ago…. [N]inety percent of Americans, regardless of political party, want…universal background checks…. We are being held hostage by 50 senators in Washington who refuse to even put it to a vote despite what we the American people want…because they want to hold onto their own power. It’s pathetic,” he said, walking out of the press conference.

“I’ve had enough.”

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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#272  Postby Spearthrower » May 26, 2022 3:16 am

Standard 'mental health' explain-away in effect, but it never seems to occur to any of these fuckwits that even if they're right that a guy who murders a bunch of random children has mental health issues (well, duh!) they need to explain how gun culture is so permissive that people with violent mental health issues have ready access to guns.

There's no actual argument against gun control - just a stunning absence of empathy or concern for the rest of the society they live in.
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#273  Postby Alan C » May 26, 2022 10:03 am

Shooter was gunned down this time, seems he didn't happen to be white?
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#274  Postby Regina » May 26, 2022 11:18 am

Spearthrower wrote:Standard 'mental health' explain-away in effect, but it never seems to occur to any of these fuckwits that even if they're right that a guy who murders a bunch of random children has mental health issues (well, duh!) they need to explain how gun culture is so permissive that people with violent mental health issues have ready access to guns.

There's no actual argument against gun control - just a stunning absence of empathy or concern for the rest of the society they live in.

Yup, there is no argument against gun control. But your dedicated psychopath will always find ways to get around it.
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#275  Postby Animavore » May 26, 2022 12:21 pm

There's an NRA conference in Texas this weekend with Cruz and Abbot attending. Reall don't give a fuck.

Abbot said school shootings havn't done half as much damage as critical race theory.

This bad enough but to me the worst part is that this probably won't affect their votes negatively.
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#276  Postby The_Piper » May 26, 2022 12:56 pm

Animavore wrote:There's an NRA conference in Texas this weekend with Cruz and Abbot attending. Reall don't give a fuck.

Abbot said school shootings havn't done half as much damage as critical race theory.

This bad enough but to me the worst part is that this probably won't affect their votes negatively.
Trump is expected to speak there too I think. The NRA is prohibiting guns at the conference. Pathetic hypocrisy, as usual. Abbot may be right about the critical race theory statement, technically. Not because of what he means by saying that, but by the actual institutional racism that critical race theory explains. That man is human garbage.
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#277  Postby Agi Hammerthief » May 26, 2022 3:03 pm

The_Piper wrote:
The NRA is prohibiting guns at the conference. …

guns are not allowed in schools either, just a matter of time till someone notices.
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#278  Postby Spearthrower » May 26, 2022 3:26 pm

Regina wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Standard 'mental health' explain-away in effect, but it never seems to occur to any of these fuckwits that even if they're right that a guy who murders a bunch of random children has mental health issues (well, duh!) they need to explain how gun culture is so permissive that people with violent mental health issues have ready access to guns.

There's no actual argument against gun control - just a stunning absence of empathy or concern for the rest of the society they live in.

Yup, there is no argument against gun control. But your dedicated psychopath will always find ways to get around it.
Breivik and others who killed scores of people across Europe can testify to that.



Absolutely, although the fact that some people will break a law doesn't mean that law has no value.
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#279  Postby Spearthrower » May 26, 2022 3:27 pm

Animavore wrote:
Abbot said school shootings havn't done half as much damage as critical race theory.


Post-truth politicians need to be smacked around more by the press.
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#280  Postby The_Piper » May 26, 2022 3:39 pm

Agi Hammerthief wrote:
The_Piper wrote:
The NRA is prohibiting guns at the conference. …

guns are not allowed in schools either, just a matter of time till someone notices.
My post had nothing to do with guns in schools. Some people are authorized to carry guns in schools, just not the students and people illegally entering schools to murder them. More than two or three politicians have suggested that teachers be armed and trained. Which is stupid, but such is politics in this country.
The NRA celebrate gun culture, and they presumably are having a conference to promote that. I'd like to think that they are going to denounce their prior positions at this conference, but they're way too far gone to be sensible now. That they aren't allowing guns at a conference to celebrate gun culture, is hypocrisy. I may be wrong about them prohibiting guns altogether, but it will be at least for Trump and Abbot's speeches. I'm guessing it will be for the entire conference though.
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