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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5701  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 14, 2018 6:57 pm

Ironclad wrote:Who the fuck said that?

Some idiot in a discussion about the Abrams films.

I can understand that they mistakenly think ST has no substance, but to believe it's a facist power fantasy is mind boggling. :nono:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5702  Postby Ironclad » Sep 15, 2018 12:13 am

Damn right, it's a commie power fantasy.
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#5703  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 15, 2018 6:59 am

Ironclad wrote:Damn right, it's a commie power fantasy.
:smoke:

:snooty:
More like a democratic utopia.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5704  Postby Ironclad » Sep 15, 2018 7:53 pm

:lol:
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5705  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 16, 2018 9:49 pm

Lonely laddie stop your trolling. as someone far smarter than you said here biological life supports intelligent design oh and the published fraud of researchers is a perfect example of intelligent design. that's too much irony!
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5706  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 22, 2018 12:26 pm

Gotta love it when a creationist tries to call you out on your lack of understanding of evolution, by citing assertionist posts on creationist websites:
Attacking Darwin does nothing to disprove the fact that organisms evolve over time to the point where they can no longer interbreed with their ancestor species.

/// you need a crash course in evolution in order to not embarrass yourself further. Primary, and secondary speciation 1

http://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t ... mary-and...

there are observed instances of secondary speciation -- which is not what Darwinism needs -- but no observed instances of primary speciation, not even in bacteria. British bacteriologist Alan H. Linton looked for confirmed reports of primary speciation and concluded in 2001: "None exists in the literature claiming that one species has been shown to evolve into another. Bacteria, the simplest form of independent life, are ideal for this kind of study, with generation times of twenty to thirty minutes, and populations achieved after eighteen hours. But throughout 150 years of the science of bacteriology, there is no evidence that one species of bacteria has changed into another.

Observed cases of speciation by polyploidy are limited to flowering plants. 2 Furthermore, according to American evolutionary biologist Douglas J. Futuyma, polyploidy — known as “ secondary speciation ” — “ does not confer major new morphological characteristics” and does not cause the evolution of higher levels in the biological hierarchy. Darwinism depends on the splitting of one species into two, which then diverge and split and diverge and split, over and over again — a process known as “primary speciation”—to produce the branching-tree pattern required by Darwin’s theory.

Allopolyploidy, i.e. hybridization followed by chromosome doubling, is a frequent mode of secondary speciation in vascular plants (Leitch and Bennett 1997; Haufler 2008). 3The occurrence of diploids and their derived polyploids in the same area provides an excellent natural experiment to test the unique environmental responses that may exist across ploidy levels.

primary speciation : The splitting of one species into two, usually resulting from natural selection favoring different gene complexes in geographically isolated populations. 4

Evolution and Diversification of Land Plants page 296
Primary Speciation
Primary speciation has been used to encompass the most basic and commonly recognized ways of initiating new species, the divergence of diploid populations to the level of species. Having a clear and well-supported phylogeny for the group of taxa being studied is particularly important in developing hypotheses about primary speciation. Unless sister taxa are compared, erroneous conclusions about the processes involved will be obtained. Within this major mode are more specific categories including allopatric speciation, the divergence of populations to the species level through isolation by geographic separation, parapatric speciation, divergence of popUlations to the species level even though populations maintain contiguous but nonoverlapping geographic distributions, and sympatric speciation, divergence of populations to the species level even though the populations occupy the same geographic region. Given the complex biotic and behavioral interactions that have been associated with sympatric speciation [25] and the high probability that simple isolating mechanisms characterize pteridophytes, it seems unlikely that they speciate sympatrically at the diploid level.

Secondary Speciation
When it can be demonstrated that the speciation under investigation involved genomic-level changes, such as hybridization or polyploidy, a separate mode is proposed. The magnitude of genetic modification in secondary speciation often can be characterized, and it appears to be qualitatively different from that caused by the more incremental changes that are typical of primary speciation. Further, secondary speciation usually involves interactions between distinct and separate lineages that remain intact (autopolyploidy is the exception). These interactions result in the production of a new lineage that is reproductively isolated from its progenitors, shares significant portions of its genome with them, and is usually intermediate in morphology between them. Thus, instead of a single lineage evolving into two new lineages (as in primary speciation), two lineages interact to yield a third lineage, and all three lineages persist. Characterization of a variety of patterns provides circumstantial evidence of different kinds of secondary speciation. When different ploidy levels are detected among individuals that are morphologically uniform, autopolyploidy is suspected. Some summaries of speciation have used autopolyploidy as an example of "sympatric" speciation. However, autopolyploidy involves genome duplication, a mechanism that is quite different from those leading to the origin of diploid lineages. As reviewed by Gastony [34], speciation by chromosome doubling within pteridophyte species has been largely overlooked as a significant mechanism. In some groups, however, especially when accompanied by apomixis, autopolyploidy may occur frequently.

1. http://www.evolutionnews.org/.../select ... eciation...
2. http://www.utitokyo.sakura.ne.jp/uti-index-papers-e...
3. http://aobpla.oxfordjournals.org/content/7/plv047.full
4. http://www.oxfordreference.com/.../authority...
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#5707  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 22, 2018 12:38 pm

Agreed, to a point.
Speciation is a thing, but natural, and historic data says that mammals always birth mammals, and fish always birth fish, and so on and so forth.
To say reptiles/amphibians came from fish, or mammals came from reptiles isn't holding to those observable facts.
We can get a teacup poodle from a grey wolf by selective breeding, and I'll even accept getting human monkey hybrids (tho the WWII data is still inconclusive and doesn't look promising).
But cross speciation is where I gotta draw the line of credibility.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5708  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 22, 2018 12:40 pm

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"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5709  Postby aban57 » Sep 22, 2018 11:14 pm

Wortfish wrote:
Calilasseia wrote:
The literature on feather evolution is extensive. This literature includes documentation of discoveries of feathered non-Avialan Theropod dinosaurs.


Many specimens have been disputed on the grounds of not displaying true pennaceous feathers or being a flightless bird like the ostrich. It is likely that theropods had "bristles" as shown in the televised autopsy of a recently captured T-Rex:

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In any case, if feathers are structures useful for purposes other than flight, why do we not see reptiles with them today?
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5710  Postby theropod » Sep 23, 2018 3:37 am

:this:

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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5711  Postby aban57 » Sep 23, 2018 8:35 am

theropod wrote::this:

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I guess we could put here all his posts, but this one was funny on top of just showing ignorance. The same can't be said for the rest though...
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5712  Postby Fallible » Sep 23, 2018 9:00 am

Surely he's taking the piss...
John Grant wrote:They say 'let go, let go, let go, you must learn to let go'.
If I hear that fucking phrase again, this baby's gonna blow
Into a million itsy bitsy tiny pieces, don't you know,
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5713  Postby newolder » Sep 23, 2018 9:20 am

... the televised autopsy of a recently captured T-Rex:

To take this seriously I'd have to suspend my disbelief from a sky hook on the rings of Saturn.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5714  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 06, 2018 1:53 pm

This:
https://evolutionnews.org/2018/10/how-the-2018-nobel-laureates-in-chemistry-harnessed-intelligent-design/
How the 2018 Nobel Laureates in Chemistry Harnessed Intelligent Design
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5715  Postby Calilasseia » Oct 06, 2018 9:36 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:This:
https://evolutionnews.org/2018/10/how-the-2018-nobel-laureates-in-chemistry-harnessed-intelligent-design/
How the 2018 Nobel Laureates in Chemistry Harnessed Intelligent Design


Thought it wouldn't be long before the usual suspects started peddling the usual duplicitous apologetics, to try and rewrite the science to suit their worthless mythology ...
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5716  Postby Alan B » Oct 06, 2018 9:53 pm

Yeah. But it's so sciency. :shifty:
I have NO BELIEF in the existence of a God or gods. I do not have to offer evidence nor do I have to determine absence of evidence because I do not ASSERT that a God does or does not or gods do or do not exist.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5717  Postby Evolving » Oct 12, 2018 11:58 am

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This has made me very happy.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5718  Postby Evolving » Oct 12, 2018 11:59 am

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#5719  Postby Evolving » Oct 12, 2018 12:00 pm

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This has made me very happy.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5720  Postby newolder » Oct 12, 2018 12:01 pm

It seems to have tripled your happiness quotient, at least.
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